Posts by Mr P Hucker

1) (Message 7806)
Posted 20 Apr 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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Why did you copy previous post almost word to word?
He messed up the quoting. The last sentence was his.
people don't understand satire/sarcasm. i didn't mess up any quoting and was never trying to quote. I merely replied in the same manner for greater impact.
No, it made you look silly. If I asked you a question in person, would you seriously restate it before answering?

And that's two of us who didn't get it. Seems only you get it. Maybe it's because you're an American?
2) (Message 7804)
Posted 20 Apr 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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Why did you copy previous post almost word to word?
He messed up the quoting. The last sentence was his.
3) (Message 7802)
Posted 20 Apr 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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This is just a friendly heads up to the admin if they happen to see it so they can load up more data, which is a good thing.
I'm sure they don't forget. Presumably the data is loaded when it comes in from the sources.
4) (Message 7800)
Posted 20 Apr 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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Why do people keep stating the obvious? The work is not continuous, it comes in regular batches. There is nothing wrong. There is just slightly more processing power than needed, which is a good thing.
5) (Message 7789)
Posted 12 Mar 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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Certificate is renewed. Happy crunching :)
https is a pain. Everything worked so smoothly before we got all security conscious for no reason.
6) (Message 7788)
Posted 12 Mar 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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"the instant the server comes back"

that's not how it works

It may take several days to clear the backlog
Only if the server is underpowered. That problem doesn't seem to occur here.
7) (Message 7787)
Posted 12 Mar 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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I'm can't crunch because I'm out of work. I only hold a 1 day queue.

Deadlines are irrelevant, that's not how Boinc works. When I haven't sent a task in on time, the server will at some point give it to someone else, say you. If I then hand it in late, but before you've started it, your computer will be instructed to abort. I will still get the points. If you complete it before me, you get the points and I don't.

But in this case, mine will be returned the instant the server comes back into availability and there's no way a resend could get done first, so I lose no points.

The only stupid thing about this is if I return the result after you've started the resend, it lets you finish it, wasting your electricity and computing time which could have been on another task. The reason? They think it might upset people if they were halfway through a task and it was aborted. How utterly absurd. If need be give them partial points for their time.
Wow you're really taking this seriously aren't you ? chillax...
Eh? I'm not the one getting annoyed. I dismissed the other guy's complaint about deadlines. My only complaint is ***under normal circumstances, not what happened here***, if I return my work unit late and you've started it, you waste your resources on it just for some pathetic reason of keeping people happy and not aborting what they're already doing. Think about it, I've painted a wall or whatever. You come along and start doing it, not knowing I've already done it. Would you really want to just do it anyway and waste time? Or be told to stop and you've only wasted a bit of time?
8) (Message 7783)
Posted 11 Mar 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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we've already sent PM and email to the project admins.
keep in mind that this is a university project so TTR* may vary :)

*Time To Resolve

In the meantime, nothing is lost, just queued.
keep crunching
Hopefully they'll increase the deadlines if it comes to that
I'm can't crunch because I'm out of work. I only hold a 1 day queue.

Deadlines are irrelevant, that's not how Boinc works. When I haven't sent a task in on time, the server will at some point give it to someone else, say you. If I then hand it in late, but before you've started it, your computer will be instructed to abort. I will still get the points. If you complete it before me, you get the points and I don't.

But in this case, mine will be returned the instant the server comes back into availability and there's no way a resend could get done first, so I lose no points.

The only stupid thing about this is if I return the result after you've started the resend, it lets you finish it, wasting your electricity and computing time which could have been on another task. The reason? They think it might upset people if they were halfway through a task and it was aborted. How utterly absurd. If need be give them partial points for their time.
9) (Message 7781)
Posted 11 Mar 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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@Kyong
This isn't Twitter, I don't think that kinda thing works here. They'll notice when they see nothing being sent back in.
10) (Message 7779)
Posted 11 Mar 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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It is not the website becoming dangerous once the certificate expires. It is more about trust I guess.
The certificate gets issued by a trusted third party for a given time frame. If the certificate expires/is not renewed you can no longer be sure, that the website was not taken over by someone else.
Your driving license example might not be fitting in this case. Maybe a passport would be more accurate. If your passport is stolen it can only be used by a bad actor until it expires.
So you trust my passport even though it was stolen, just because it's in date? This shows how absurd SSL is. There's no reason whatsoever it becomes dangerous on that particular date. It gradually becomes less trustworthy starting from the date it was issued.

A 10 year validity is really unusual by the way. Usually it is only one or two years (or even shorter).
It used to be 10, all the ones I saw on Boinc were 10 years old. Some new over the top legislation by Google/Apple/the usual lot changed it to about 1 year. It's not even 365 days, they just made up a number at random.

I can understand that this is annoying, but this is something the project administrators need to get a grip on. Especially as things like https://letsencrypt.org exist.
They have more important things to be doing, like the science of the project, they shouldn't have to mess around with this utter nonsense.

This is a really bad idea, especially, as you are executing code on your machines, that is downloaded from the internet. If you really want to, I am sure, you will find guides online, but I won't provide instructions.
Jeez, I'm not asking you to help me rob a bank, I'm asking you to let me know how to bypass security on something which is not my internet banking and can't possibly put me in mortal danger!
11) (Message 7776)
Posted 11 Mar 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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I just ignore that utter nonsense. How is it going to become unsafe because the certificate is a couple of days out of date, but it was ok a week ago?
Well, this is basic web security. Yes, it is not less secure, as the connection is still encrypted. That being said you should never trust a connection with expired certificates. There is a reason why those have an expiration date.
I'd like an explanation of how a website can become dangerous in literally one second. How can it be safe now, then not safe one second later? What's magical about these certificates? How can they prove a site is safe for the whole sometimes 10 years the certificate is issued for? It's like me getting a driving license which expires in 50 years, then saying I must therefore be a safe driver in 50 years, but in 51 years, I'm dangerous. Nonsensical.

How do I tell Boinc to just go ahead?
I guess you could try some trickery to get this working. Maybe there are some settings you can change in client configuration or you need to set up a custom proxy. But again I would advice against that and simply wait till the certificate is renewed.
I don't follow guidelines on safety. I'm sick of this happening every couple of months to one project or another. I want it turned off. What do I need to sign in blood to make this happen?

I already use squid proxy for Boinc (to cut the load on LHC servers for my 8 computers downloading the same dataset for every single VB task). Can I set something in there? How could a proxy override a browser's (or in this case Boinc's) security settings?
12) (Message 7774)
Posted 11 Mar 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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I have 30 completed tasks but I keep getting a message that the Project has backed off the upload. I've checked the server status but that says everything's running. Any ideas?
well, given that your browser should given you a HUGE warning that this website certificate has expired and can't be trusted, you should have a pretty good idea of what is wrong ;-)
I just ignore that utter nonsense. How is it going to become unsafe because the certificate is a couple of days out of date, but it was ok a week ago?

How do I tell Boinc to just go ahead?

Feature request added to Boinc, I'm getting sick of pedantry getting in my way. https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/5134
13) (Message 7747)
Posted 22 Feb 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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Very funny.
14) (Message 7740)
Posted 11 Feb 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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If you look at the BOINC dashboards, you'll see that the number of crunchers is pretty much stable forAsteroids, if not rising, so I think it's more data.

https://grafana.kiska.pw/d/boinc/boinc?orgId=1&refresh=1m&var-project=Asteroids@Home&from=now-30d&to=now
That's good news. Right, so our mission is to keep up :-)
15) (Message 7738)
Posted 11 Feb 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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Teams is misspelt as Tems, under Useful Links.
16) (Message 7737)
Posted 11 Feb 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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If the pause is shorter, either there's more data coming in, or less volunteers crunching. Which is it?
17) (Message 7735)
Posted 11 Feb 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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Well I read on here they use many sources of scope data. Yet the results only show a couple. So presumably they need to buy more.
18) (Message 7732)
Posted 9 Feb 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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Do we need a donation to buy more telescope data?
19) (Message 7711)
Posted 16 Jan 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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...finding the best performed application for every particular system...
Radim Vančo (FoxKyong)
How do you actually define what's the best instruction set? I think it should be the most energy efficient. See, for example:
Thermal design power and vectorized instructions behavior, Amina Guermouche & Anne-Cécile Orgerie, CONCURRENCY & COMPUTATION: PRACTICE & EXPERIENCE, Feb 2021.
https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-03185821/document
Depends on your point of view. I want to do the most work I can on the systems I have. I'm not an environmentalist. Whatever power required is used.

And you can't expect the server to work out the most efficient on every single different CPU we all have. That's up to you.
20) (Message 7694)
Posted 13 Jan 2023 by (banished: ID 389916)
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3 million, that was a bigger batch! Engage!


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