Posts by BilBg

21) (Message 4673)
Posted 1 Nov 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Will Asteroids ever run on an Intel Atom tablet?

I had it running for a few months.
Just installed and it, and it ran, HP Stream 7 ~ Windows 10.0, upgrade from 8.1

Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z3735G @ 1.33GHz [Family 6 Model 55 Stepping 8]

Operating System Microsoft Windows 10

He is not asking the right question

This thread is "Android 5 support" so his question is very probably:
"Will Asteroids ever run on Android for Intel CPU"


He say "Yes it is running Android":
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/forum_thread.php?id=452&postid=4561#4561
22) (Message 4661)
Posted 19 Oct 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Version 3.6.9 of what?

I never needed/wanted to try it but sometimes this happens on its own.
See how on ~ 17 Jul 2014 I had >100 new hostids created (I deleted most of them):
http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/hosts_user.php?sort=rpc_time&rev=0&show_all=1&userid=5849

Happens (maybe) when Internet is not working good - "theory" is one Scheduler request is delayed somewhere on the Internet, second Scheduler request is sent OK, then the first is "unlocked" and reaches the server.
Server see out of order Scheduler requests (lower rpc_seqno reaches the server after higher) and generates new hostid

Another example and (opposite) advice "How to revert to an older HostID number?"
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77248&postid=1673215#1673215

Claggy: "As i said, you can't just go and revert to a copy of Boinc with less contacts than the server knows about, it'll eithier give you a new host id, or abandon your work,"
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=71398&postid=1356918#1356918

HAL9000: "From time to time I generate new IDs for my machines":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77248&postid=1673473#1673473

But maybe the server is sometimes "too smart" - you may need to change also the computer name?


I think Josef W. Segur knows the source code of BOINC server and may definitely tell the conditions needed for a new hostid - if you want to PM him:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=276784

Or post at SETI@home Number Crunching
23) (Message 4659)
Posted 17 Oct 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
which I changed to <rpc_seqno>22</rpc_seqno> then started BOINC and reset the Moo! project.
Now it's <rpc_seqno>0</rpc_seqno>

Where did I say "reset the project"?
I said:
Click [Update] for the project

Resetting the project deletes almost all info about it including the edited rpc_seqno (that's why you see <rpc_seqno>0</rpc_seqno>)

Try again

Notes:
rpc_seqno = Remote Procedure Call _ Sequence Number

Changing rpc_seqno backwards is considered "cheating" by BOINC server
- it thinks user uses 2 computers with the same HOSTID
(which may happen if you copy files (BOINC Data directory))

So the server "punishes" you generating new HOSTID
24) (Message 4656)
Posted 13 Oct 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
just need to get a new Host ID for the machine

Warning: this is not advice for anyone - this is only explanation how to change hostid if you want this for any reason
You will probably lose your tasks (that are currently in the computer)

***

The only thing needed to change hostid (to a newer one)
is to alter rpc_seqno in client_state.xml

Exit BOINC
Copy client_state.xml (to have backup in any case)
Edit client_state.xml by Notepad

Find rpc_seqno:
<rpc_seqno>28371</rpc_seqno>

* !!! Be sure you found the correct <rpc_seqno> for the project you want to generate new hostid
In this case <rpc_seqno> will be near line:
<master_url>http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/</master_url>

Change rpc_seqno backwards.
From the above example (which is from my client_state.xml) you may make it e.g.:
<rpc_seqno>28355</rpc_seqno>

Save client_state.xml

Start BOINC
Click [Update] for the project

Look in Event Log (Ctrl+Shift+E) to see what happens
 
25) (Message 4634)
Posted 13 Sep 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Are the SSE3/AVX work units equivalent in terms of science output to the SSE2 units?

Of course - all apps (CPU/GPU, Windows/Linux/Android) are equivalent and tasks are the same.
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/apps.php


Why I get SSE2 work on my SSE3/AVX CPU?

You have "Number of tasks completed" ~equal for SSE2 vs SSE3
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/host_app_versions.php?hostid=221254

At the moment server thinks the best for you is SSE3 app:
"Average processing rate 159.04 GFLOPS"
... and should send mostly tasks labelled "(sse3)"
There is randomizing parameter (on the server) to send from time to time not-the-best app to test the speed of that 'bad' apps again.

Since different batches of tasks take different time to compute (by the same app):
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/results.php?hostid=221254&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=

... the server may be fooled to think some app is fast when in fact the case may be that the current tasks are easier/shorter to compute.
"Run time" matters (Not the "CPU time") - so if you use the computer at the same time for 'heavy' tasks (e.g. encode video) - BOINC will think the app is slow.


How can I force SSE3 or AVX work?

Only by app_info.xml


P.S.
Technical - for Advanced users:

EXAMPLE of app_info.xml - DO NOT COPY BLINDLY, EDIT IT IF NEEDED
- Copy the .exe files somewhere - they may be deleted by BOINC
- Copy the name of YOUR .exe file and Paste in the text of app_info.xml where needed
<app_info> 

    <app>
        <name>period_search</name>
        <user_friendly_name>Period Search Application SSE3</user_friendly_name>
    </app>

    <file_info>
        <name>period_search_10210_windows_intelx86__sse3.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>

    <app_version>
        <app_name>period_search</app_name>
        <version_num>10210</version_num>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>period_search_10210_windows_intelx86__sse3.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>

</app_info> 


! If you have tasks on-board BOINC may just Delete them without warning if something is wrong with the app_info.xml !
 
26) (Message 4540)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/show_host_detail.php?hostid=162445

Nobody will get work on Android 5.0.2 which need 'position independent executables'
https://www.google.com/#q=android%20position%20independent%20executable

Apps here:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/apps.php

The only app now still is:
Android running on an ARM CPU (arm) 102.11 (arm_android_non_pie)

Read:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/forum_thread.php?id=419&postid=4510#4510
27) (Message 4539)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
This is intermittent and don't prevent the task to finish OK and be 'Valid' as you can see:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/result.php?resultid=83111616

'No heartbeat from core client for 30 sec - exiting' is a temporary exit (task restarts again from the last checkpoint)
and is caused usually by bad network connection
28) (Message 4538)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/results.php?hostid=79360&offset=0&show_names=0&state=5&appid=

Almost all of the 'Invalid (11)' are caused by the server - click on every 'Work unit' to see for yourself.

Only 'Completed, too late to validate' and 'Completed, marked as invalid' may be 'your fault' (which don't depend on BOINC version)
29) (Message 4452)
Posted 16 May 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
What is the average time for these tasks on Android?

What is the average time for these tasks on Windows
What is the average time for these tasks on Linux

(if you see any sense in the above questions I don't)

The question is:
What is the average time for these tasks on "ARMv7 Processor rev 1 (v7l)" / Android
(what MHz is this CPU I don't know)
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/show_host_detail.php?hostid=170125


I just go to "Android 5 support" thread and check a few users that posted there:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/forum_thread.php?id=419

ARMv7 Processor rev 0 (v7l)
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/show_host_detail.php?hostid=139298
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/results.php?hostid=139298&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=

ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l)
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/show_host_detail.php?hostid=153180
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/results.php?hostid=153180&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=
30) (Message 4424)
Posted 1 May 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Look here:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/forum_thread.php?id=306&postid=3094#3094
31) (Message 4421)
Posted 27 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Just change the name and email to non-existent
e.g.
NoOne
nonono@nonono.haha
32) (Message 4418)
Posted 26 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Some more of this WUs (which is bad for the project - good WUs to go in garbage)

Also, as you can see, some people can't get credit for computed tasks because all other tasks from the same WU were sent to 'bad' Android 5 devices:

http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/workunit.php?wuid=29930441
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/workunit.php?wuid=29929879
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/workunit.php?wuid=29929506

http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/workunit.php?wuid=29269623
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/workunit.php?wuid=29928631
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/workunit.php?wuid=29269658
33) (Message 4417)
Posted 26 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
No
These 2 <plan_classes> are to allow both users using older and newer BOINC versions on Mac OS to get tasks for sse3 app, read:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/forum_thread.php?id=255&postid=2555#2555
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/forum_thread.php?id=255&postid=2586#2586
34) (Message 4414)
Posted 24 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
@Kyong
If you are not sure how to make plan_class for Android you may ask Collatz

They have apps:
Android running on ARM 6.00 (android_arm_non_pie)
Android running on ARM 6.01 (android_arm_pie)

http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/apps.php
35) (Message 4413)
Posted 24 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
I was surprised to see too many (>7) 'bad' Android 5 devices gather on one WU and make it fail by 'Too many errors (may have bug)'
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/workunit.php?wuid=29930814
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/workunit.php?wuid=29930742

Many other WUs are too near that outcome (e.g. 5-6 errors from Android 5)

(I didn't expect so many people to have 'smartphones')


@Kyong
Even if you still don't have the new app you may need soon to create 'new' app version (the same old app but with <plan_class>)
Android running on an ARM CPU (arm) 102.11 (Android_4) <- to be sent only to NOT(Android >= 5) - this includes if Android version is not reported by the running BOINC client

When you are ready with the new app:
Android running on an ARM CPU (arm) 102.11 (Android_5) <- to be sent only to Android >= 5
36) (Message 4409)
Posted 22 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
8. You may need more RAM, that will help with processing speeds

Not at all on this project (and many other)
Can't you see how only a few MB are used per task?


... likewise a Solid State Drive will also increase processing speeds.

No
37) (Message 4408)
Posted 22 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
It always was working, explain in more detail what you expect from this setting and what you see.

I'm on BOINC 6.10.58 and "Tasks checkpoint to disk at most every XXX seconds" works as expected (and was working in older versions)

This don't control how often BOINC write to disk (e.g. in files like stdoutdae.txt, client_state.xml, ...)
This only tells/asks apps to postpone write of their checkpoint files till the interval is passed (the app may not obey)

BOINC passes the parameter in init_data.xml in <BOINC-Data>\slots\
<checkpoint_period>XXX.000000</checkpoint_period>
<disk_interval>XXX.000000</disk_interval>

So the effect will be not visible for already running tasks - but if you 'Snooze' / 'UnSnooze' they will be restarted and new value will be in effect.
38) (Message 4371)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Also there is now notice on the SETI@home home page:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/

"
News
Workunit shortage
Due to recent problems we are doing a deep cleaning of one of our larger databases. This is unfortunately progressing slower than expected, and keeping us from generating new work. We might be in this state until next week.
"
39) (Message 4370)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
I would appreciate an announcement posted ...

Why? If you can check by yourself ...:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/forum_thread.php?id=435&postid=4369#4369
40) (Message 4369)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Seti goes down, on a schedule, a couple days per week ...

No, only a few hours on 'their' Tuesday morning

To check SETI@home:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html
(Now "Results ready to send 0 0")

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets
(the green show our downloads)

To check Asteroids@home:
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/server_status.php
(Now "Tasks ready to send 0")


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