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Message 454 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 14:20:41 UTC

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Is there any chance that stats could be exported more than once per day? Most (not all) projects export the stats data 3-6 times a day.

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Message 457 - Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 10:38:03 UTC - in response to Message 454.  
But wouldn't it cause the servers to sort of overload? I just tried to get units from the server a few hours ago but ended in connection failure
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Message 461 - Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 10:50:31 UTC
Yes, it is unnecessary overloading and I think once a day is sufficient. If more users would want it I can adjust it otherwire I will let it as it is.
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Message 465 - Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 11:39:59 UTC
I agree with Kyong, let's wait what happens after Formula Boinc enabling.
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Message 468 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 4:49:34 UTC
I don't think once a day is enough, it should be at least twice a day.I have not had any problems downloading or uploading. I know I'm new on this project, but that is just because there wasn't a windows app. I started almost as soon as the app came out, because I had computers watching for the app for months. I keep score and updates are something I work for. You can stick you head in the sand on this, just like you did on the windows app. We are the doers in the crunching world and we come and go as our needs are taken care of. My 10 thousand dollars worth of computers can be gone in the morning, and the only one that will loose is this project. Take it for what it is worth. I have downloaded a few wu's in the past 3-4 days. State: All (4797) | In progress (3499) | Pending (410) | Valid (888) | Invalid (0) | Error (0)
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Message 469 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 4:57:05 UTC - in response to Message 457.  
probably your problem with the servers are all the new windows machines trying to get wu's. just the 3 or 4 users on my team has pulled hundreds of wu's in the past few hours, all windows users and only a very few persons.
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Message 470 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 9:47:45 UTC - in response to Message 468.  

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You can stick you head in the sand on this, just like you did on the windows app.


What makes you think he stuck his head in the sand? Is it because you didn't get what you wanted in 3 days so you assume he was just sticking his head in the sand? ROFLMAO... you just proved you don't have a clue how your $10,000 worth of computers works, not a single clue.

The fact is your admin worked very hard for a long time to develop a Windows app. If you had any idea how computers are programmed you would never make such a stupid accusation about head in sand.

We are the doers in the crunching world


Wrong. The programmers who write the apps are the doers. What they do is stick a bit of their intelligence inside your machine and make it do something worthwhile. Without them your $10,000 worth of hardware is nothing. All you do is sit back and click a few icons and think you are important when it's the monumental work of the programmer running in your machine that does all the work. But you don't know anything about that. You don't even want to know anything about that. The only head in the sand is your head and when it's not in the sand it's up your butt.

Another thing you have no clue about is how much work the server has to do to generate and export the stats. If the admin says the server cannot take the load then the smart thing for you to do is believe him and STFU instead of spewing stupidity about heads in sand and how important you think you are.
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Message 472 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 13:22:19 UTC - in response to Message 470.  
You can stick you head in the sand on this, just like you did on the windows app.


What makes you think he stuck his head in the sand? Is it because you didn't get what you wanted in 3 days so you assume he was just sticking his head in the sand? ROFLMAO... you just proved you don't have a clue how your $10,000 worth of computers works, not a single clue.

The fact is your admin worked very hard for a long time to develop a Windows app. If you had any idea how computers are programmed you would never make such a stupid accusation about head in sand.

We are the doers in the crunching world


Wrong. The programmers who write the apps are the doers. What they do is stick a bit of their intelligence inside your machine and make it do something worthwhile. Without them your $10,000 worth of hardware is nothing. All you do is sit back and click a few icons and think you are important when it's the monumental work of the programmer running in your machine that does all the work. But you don't know anything about that. You don't even want to know anything about that. The only head in the sand is your head and when it's not in the sand it's up your butt.

Another thing you have no clue about is how much work the server has to do to generate and export the stats. If the admin says the server cannot take the load then the smart thing for you to do is believe him and STFU instead of spewing stupidity about heads in sand and how important you think you are.

just a simple reply to what you don't have a clue about. his program isn't worth a thing without computers to run it. if you would care to check the records I have done this since 1999. so I do know a little about it. you want the work done it takes computers to do it. I donate hundreds of dollars every month just to pay the electric bill, let alone the cost of machines. you are right I don't know a lot about running a project, but you don't know anything about running computers to do the projects work. I know what my worth is to a project, and no noone will die if I'm not on a project, but years of work will get done quicker if I'm on it. he just writes the program I do the work.
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Message 473 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 18:32:25 UTC - in response to Message 472.  

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You can stick you head in the sand on this, just like you did on the windows app.


What makes you think he stuck his head in the sand? Is it because you didn't get what you wanted in 3 days so you assume he was just sticking his head in the sand? ROFLMAO... you just proved you don't have a clue how your $10,000 worth of computers works, not a single clue.

The fact is your admin worked very hard for a long time to develop a Windows app. If you had any idea how computers are programmed you would never make such a stupid accusation about head in sand.

We are the doers in the crunching world


Wrong. The programmers who write the apps are the doers. What they do is stick a bit of their intelligence inside your machine and make it do something worthwhile. Without them your $10,000 worth of hardware is nothing. All you do is sit back and click a few icons and think you are important when it's the monumental work of the programmer running in your machine that does all the work. But you don't know anything about that. You don't even want to know anything about that. The only head in the sand is your head and when it's not in the sand it's up your butt.

Another thing you have no clue about is how much work the server has to do to generate and export the stats. If the admin says the server cannot take the load then the smart thing for you to do is believe him and STFU instead of spewing stupidity about heads in sand and how important you think you are.

just a simple reply to what you don't have a clue about. his program isn't worth a thing without computers to run it. if you would care to check the records I have done this since 1999. so I do know a little about it.


Wrong. You know nothing about it. If you did there is no possible way you could say such a stupid thing like he stuck his head in the sand.

you want the work done it takes computers to do it. I donate hundreds of dollars every month just to pay the electric bill, let alone the cost of machines.


So what? How does that prove he stuck his head in the sand. Any idiot can buy a computer, click a few icons to install BOINC and attach a project and pay the bills. The fact you can do it proves any idiot can do it. But understand how it works?.... no, that takes talent and you obviously have none of that and you proved you don't when you said he stuck his head in the sand. My god is there nothing so stupid that you Windows lemmings won't say it? Is there no limit to the stupidity that spews out of your wee lemming brains and mouths?


you are right I don't know a lot about running a project


That's not what I said. I see the problem now.... you can't read! That's why you don't know anything. I said you don't know spit about computers, how they work and how they are programmed. Read my previous post.

but you don't know anything about running computers to do the projects work.


Wrong. The fact I was crunching Asteroid tasks long before you and providing a way for Windows lemmings to crunch tasks on their lemming machines via a virtual machine (yeah, I am jujube) proves I know a hell of a lot more about it than you do. My little finger knows more about it than you do, more than you ever will even if you were to learn how to read.

I know what my worth is to a project, and no noone will die if I'm not on a project, but years of work will get done quicker if I'm on it./quote]

That's the only true thing you've said so far. You should have ended it there and ended it on a success but instead you spew more stupidity...

[quote] he just writes the program I do the work.


Just writes the programs, huh? Like writing a program is a trivial task! You don't have a clue how hard it is to write a program or port an existing app to a different platform which is what the admin did in this case. If you did you would never say "just writes the programs".

See you are the reason admins don't like porting their apps to Windows. As soon as they do they get hoards of clueless Windows lemmings swarming the place making stupid lemming demands and saying stupid lemming BS.
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Message 474 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 18:43:28 UTC - in response to Message 473.  
are you the spoke person for the admin of this project? the only person I have any interest in hearing from is him. if he thinks it is too much work to do stats 2 times a day I'm fine with that. that does not take away from the fact that he is again sticking his head in the sand, like taking so long to do a windows app. you can say what you want windows rules boinc. I care not what your option is and you have every right to it, shallow as it is.
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Message 475 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 19:42:21 UTC - in response to Message 474.  

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are you the spoke person for the admin of this project?


That's a stupid question. It makes no difference whether I am a spokesperson or not so why bother asking the question?

the only person I have any interest in hearing from is him.


Doesn't matter who you're interested in hearing from. This is a public forum. You get to hear from whomever takes the time to post here. There now you know how public forums work. Hmmm, or maybe you still don't understand that either.

if he thinks it is too much work to do stats 2 times a day I'm fine with that.


That's an intelligent thing for you to say. You should have stopped there and ended on a successful note but instead you insist on spewing more stupidity....

that does not take away from the fact that he is again sticking his head in the sand, like taking so long to do a windows app.


Again you prove what a pathetic twit you are. The reason the Windows app took so long is because porting the app from Linux to Windows was very difficult. I've told you that several times but you still don't get it. How can you be so stupid?

you can say what you want windows rules boinc.


I never said otherwise. But you seem to think just because Windows rules BOINC you can barge in here and spew your stupid lemming nonsense and insult the admin with your uninformed lemming spew.

I care not what your option


I think you meant to say opinion not option. Well, you should care what my opinion is because I know stuff and you know nothing about any topic you jave posted on so far. I dare say you know next to nothing about anything and every time you post you reinforce that opinion.

is and you have every right to it, shallow as it is.


I can program, you obviously cannot. Therefore I know far more about this than you do. You think you know all the answers. Unfortunately you don't even know what the questions are and you never will. You're an impotent, ignorant little twit, a Windows lemming, a pretender, someone who repeats what he hears other people say rather than think for himself, and that is the most you will ever be.

So what's your next stupid trick? Gonna whine about me insulting you? Go ahead but remember you started the insults by coming here and insulting the admin and the rest of us with your stupidity.
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Message 476 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 20:08:56 UTC - in response to Message 474.  

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if he thinks it is too much work to do stats 2 times a day I'm fine with that. that does not take away from the fact that he is again sticking his head in the sand


OK, BrainBoy, you tell us what you think the admin should do.

Should he just go ahead and do stats 3 times a day even when it means the server will then be too busy to issue tasks when your host requests tasks? Hmmm? Is that what you want?

Or maybe you expect him to spend several thousand $ he doesn't have to upgrade the server just to satisfy your petty little whims? What should he do... go steal a computer just to keep you happy?

Come on Mr. Impotent, tell us what you think he should do. You're the man with all the answers. Tell us so we can all have a good laugh at you and your stupidity. Or maybe you would rather just STFU and go be stupid somewhere else?
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Message 477 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 20:48:10 UTC - in response to Message 476.  
the mounth has spoken, again
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Message 478 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 20:54:52 UTC - in response to Message 477.  
I didn't come here to fight with anyone, it seems that is all you want to do. you know -- sticks and stones make break my bones, but your words will never hurt me. you are really good a flaming other posters, no wonder no many post here. I will just keep on kicking your a$$ where it really counts, on the project. :)
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Message 479 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 21:19:40 UTC - in response to Message 478.  
you are really good a flaming other posters,


Oh, and your telling the admin his head is in the sand for taking so long on the Windows app isn't a flame? How about telling him refusing to update the stats as frequently as you would like is sticking his head in the sand... that isn't a flame? You're just another stupid pot calling the kettle black.

no wonder no many post here. I will just keep on kicking your a$$ where it really counts, on the project. :)


Yep, just as I figured, you lose again. I challenged you to suggest what the admin should do to get the stats updated/exported more often. You have declined to do that which means you can't come up with any suggestion.

I couldn't care less if your RAC is higher than mine. I've kicked your ass where it really counts... in the knowledge department. Remember it, loser, and think twice about shooting off your stupid mouth again because every time you do you prove once again that you are a fool and a loser who has nothing intelligent to say about anything.
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Message 480 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 21:27:15 UTC - in response to Message 479.  
I suggested that he do what ever he thought was right and that I thought twice a day was not unreasonable. I also said I would be good with what ever he wanted to do.
yea I understand you think you are GOD, but who cares. anyone reading your posts will understand you are just little insecure person.
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Message 481 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 22:05:02 UTC - in response to Message 478.  

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Ok, I must agree with Dagorath, you started the insulting and Dagorath explained the situation very well that is the reason I ignored it. As admin I shouldn't fight at forum so I will write it to you again by myself.
I never wrote that I quit with win application and I wrote at start that I count with it. Sometimes it's not easy to port application to other platforms which someone that can program would understand it and wouldn't write what you have written.
You can see that after releasing windows app the computing performance is increasing so the load of the server must be controled and monitored. Processing of stats is high performance consuming and I can't let server overload. Administration of server is also about thinking and predicting.
If everything was so easy the windows app would be done at the begining. Even the starting the project wasn't immediately. It's not sticking head in the sand, it's working on uneasy task and from begining I tried to find a solution how to access it for windows users.
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Message 483 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 22:37:43 UTC - in response to Message 480.  
I suggested that he do what ever he thought was right and that I thought twice a day was not unreasonable. I also said I would be good with what ever he wanted to do.


That's only half of the truth. That's a lie by omission. So now you are proving you are a liar. Th whole truth is you said that he would be sticking his head in the sand if he failed to update stats more frequently. Now you have a choice. You can deny you said that even though we can all read those word in your posts or you can just admit to yourself that you are a foaming at the mouth ranter who isn't capable of publishing anything intelligent or honest and then just STFU.

yea I understand you think you are GOD, but who cares. anyone reading your posts will understand you are just little insecure person.


I'm just a person who takes the time to read, think and learn. I make sure I have the facts straight before I post though I do admit to not having the facts right sometimes. When I am wrong I am quickly corrected and when that happens I admit I was wrong. You, on the other hand, think that your $10G worth of computers makes you right and that this project's admin needs to jump to attention and follow your orders when you speak. That's typical American crap and it's what led you dolts into a goose chase for WMD in Iraq, the destruction of Irag and the meltdown of your own economy. That crap doesn't fly here.

I am secure. I am secure because I have knowledge and talent to bear me up and bolster my position. I didn't acquire that knowledge and talent by being a god, I acquired it through diligence and hard work. That's the recipe... read, think, learn. I would suggest you try that recipe but you have demonstrated that you despise the truth and have a powerful need to prove you are stupid.

People who debase themselves publicly the way you do usually have a poor self-image due to being abused, often sexually, as a child. I suggest you face that daemon and get counselling for it. Now again you have a choice... you can make snide remarks about my knowledge of psychology and human development in which case I will rub your nose in your own verbal excrement again or you can just STFU.
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Message 485 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 13:08:25 UTC - in response to Message 479.  

I couldn't care less if your RAC is higher than mine. I've kicked your ass where it really counts... in the knowledge department.


Simply true.
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Message 487 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 19:17:06 UTC
@Kyong,

I've been thinking of various schemes that might possibly allow more frequent stats updates without additional load on the server. I don't know if this would work or whether it would increase the load or decrease it but I'll toss it out for discussion anyway.

Scheme 1:

Could the Asteroids@home server mirror the database to some other computer on the 'net? I'm thinking that other computer could then update the stats several times per day instead of the Asteroids server doing the updates. If the overhead required to mirror the database to the other computer is less than the overhead to update the stats then this scheme would actually reduce the load on the server.

Scheme 2:

Maybe mirroring the database isn't really necessary either? For example, a volunteer could provide a large partition on his disk, you could mount that partition as NAS and store the database there rather than on an A@h partition. The volunteer would then update stats several times per day.

Scheme 3:

Break the server into 2 parts, A and B. A would be the existing A@h server. It would issue tasks, accept results uploads and post-process results. B would be installed on a volunteer's computer and it would accept results reports, keep the database and update stats several times per day. This scheme assumes the database does not contain the actual result, merely a reference to the result which in this case would be the result's address on server A.

Each scheme has possible security and latency issues I have not addressed. Correct me if I am wrong but I think security can be provided with passwords and encryption so that the volunteer cannot tamper with your data. I don't know enough about possible latency issues to address them adequately so I'll leave that topic alone.

There is also the messages database for the forum. I don't know if that can be split from the research data database, maybe it already is? If it can be separate from the main database then it could live on either server.

I know you hope to receive funding that would allow purchase of new hardware to upgrade the existing server. My proposal would be a temporary measure to help you until you get that funding. I don't know how much work it would require to implement one of the above schemes and then move it all back to your own hardware later, you are better equipped to address that concern.
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