Greetings,

I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. Most of the WUs I have say that the 'estimated' time to complete is 15m 21s. I would say that that is a mighty low estimation since it takes 3 to 5 hours to do a WU. Why?

I started Asteroids because SETI was having their normal problems. Well, I have over 600 Asteroid WUs and none of my SETI WUs are getting any time on the CPUs. The deadline on some of them is tomorrow, Feb 7.

15 minute WUs taking 3 to 5 hours to complete is not a good incentive to continue with this project. Oh, and one other thing... Why are ALL the Asteroid WUs I have due tomorrow, Feb 7? There is no frakkin way 600+ WUs will be done tomorrow. :( Not at 3 to 5 hours per... Oh, and I wanted enough WUs to last me for 5 days, not 5 weeks!

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CMDR Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187

Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]

Greetings,

I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. Most of the WUs I have say that the 'estimated' time to complete is 15m 21s. I would say that that is a mighty low estimation since it takes 3 to 5 hours to do a WU. Why?

Because the admin screwed up the flops estimate on the last batch. It happens. Get used to it and configure your host accordingly.

I started Asteroids because SETI was having their normal problems. Well, I have over 600 Asteroid WUs and none of my SETI WUs are getting any time on the CPUs. The deadline on some of them is tomorrow, Feb 7.

Nobody here cares about your stupid SETI tasks. SETI is a total waste of good CPU time and a badly administered project to boot. If you think you're gonna barge in here and imppress everybody with your braindead SETI lemming ideas then think again. Decrease your cache so you have some buffer time to handle mistakes like the mistake the admins made here with the flops estimate.

Yah, yah, yah, yah.... we've heard it all before... you need the huge cache to grab as many SETI tasks as you can before their mismanaged servers crash again. Nobody cares! If that's the crazy life you want to lead then do it but don't expect everybody else to cater to your foolish whimsy.

15 minute WUs taking 3 to 5 hours to complete is not a good incentive to continue with this project.

If it was my project I'd bar you just for running SETI.

Oh, and one other thing... Why are ALL the Asteroid WUs I have due tomorrow, Feb 7?

Your "oh and one other thing..." SETI speak doesn't impress anyone here.

There is no frakkin way 600+ WUs will be done tomorrow. :( Not at 3 to 5 hours per...

Awwww, too bad, awwwwww

Oh, and I wanted enough WUs to last me for 5 days, not 5 weeks!

Oh, oh, oh, oh, well then learn to configure your host properly, oh, oh, oh, oh and one more thing.... properly means "in a way that works in the real world", oh, oh, oh....

Nice to see You back Dagorath...Could read some other answers of yours on other threads and You were so goood... it was scaring me to think You were becoming peaceful.

@Siran d'Vel'nahr: as Dagorath says, there's been a problem on the estimated time of the wu's... but I think they've solved it by now.

We've all suffered from this... in my case I've had to cancel lots of wu's for the deadline was over me (perhaps I've cancelled 40-50 wu's).

But don't despair, give it a try, You'll see it's worth the time spent.

About SETI. I have been some time with it (beg Your pardon Dagorath ;) ), but I suggest You give up SETI CPU wu's. They take too long (IIRC) and in the same amount of time you can do much more work here (or in other projects). If you want to work for SETI better do it with a Nvidia GPU with another GPU project for the moments in which SETI servers are out of duty (which happens too often).

And now a joke for the pro's:

Hope this helps :) :) :)

Greetings,

Well, I was going to just allow all 600+ WUs to process, that way people waiting on results of the 600+ I had won't have to wait for them to be resent to other users and get processed. This, however, has changed this morning.

After reading this, one of the very finest of responses to my posts ever, I decided to suspend, and remove this project from my client. My apologies to the good people waiting on the results from my WUs.

TO THE ADMINS OF THIS PROJECT: If you are going to allow perfect angels as this 'Dagorath' person is to represent you to other users with a problem or questions about the project, then you should shut down. I am truly sorry, I really thought this would be a very worth while project to be a part of. But now...? I don't think so!

TO DAGORATH: You, Sir would not last 5 seconds over at SETI. Not with the attitude and means of responding to people such as you have. You would be banned from SETI in a heartbeat. I am SOOOO glad that you have this attitude because I know I would not run into you there and have to deal with your slime ball attitude. Oh, by the way, SMARTASS, I have my client set to maintain a 5 day cache of WUs no matter what project I run.

Goodbye Asteroids@home! It's been, well... Just goodbye... :(

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CMDR Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187

Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]

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@Siran d'Vel'nahr: as Dagorath says, there's been a problem on the estimated time of the wu's... but I think they've solved it by now.

We've all suffered from this... in my case I've had to cancel lots of wu's for the deadline was over me (perhaps I've cancelled 40-50 wu's).

But don't despair, give it a try, You'll see it's worth the time spent.

-[ snip ]-

And now a joke for the pro's:

Hope this helps :) :) :)

Greetings Enric.

Thanks, but no thanks. Too late. I have already removed this project from my client. I will not work for a project that has creeps like Dagorath.

As for SETI: I'm as loyal as they come. I will always and forever crunch for SETI. They were around longer than any other projects. I have been with them since damn near day one, way before BOINC came onto the scene.

Thanks again Enric, but like I said, it's too late now.

Good bye...

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CMDR Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187

Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]

As I can see I should have inform about the estimated time in the news. But it is only the first batch, the other bigger batch already has fixed the estimated time.
And for everyone, try to be more polite, I know that it isn't easy when everyone has different opinion but the fact is that there is always more people with different opininos so arguing shouldn't be the first to do.

As I can see I should have inform about the estimated time in the news. But it is only the first batch, the other bigger batch already has fixed the estimated time.
And for everyone, try to be more polite, I know that it isn't easy when everyone has different opinion but the fact is that there is always more people with different opininos so arguing shouldn't be the first to do.

Greetings Kyong,

I see your list of credentials above your avatar over
<-- there and have to wonder:

With a response post as Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs Dagorath has posted in reply to my questions, how can you allow him/her to stay with your project? I really thought this project was going to be really worth while. But, I won't stand for people like Dagorath responding to me in that way and stay with any project. How can you allow him/her to chase new users away as he/she has me?

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CMDR Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187

Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]

Greetings,

Well, I was going to just allow all 600+ WUs to process, that way people waiting on results of the 600+ I had won't have to wait for them to be resent to other users and get processed. This, however, has changed this morning.

Your "story" has changed too. Yesterday you said there was no way the 600 would crunch in time now all of a sudden you're saying they would have but you are just so offended, your eyes are just so puffy and red from all the sobbing caused by mean ol' Dagorath, you just can't force yourself to crunch 'em. Are you (or were you) lieing or are you just confused?

I know you poor little thang! It's hard to know which way is up with all those tears and sobbing and your bottom lip all-a-quiver. Can I send you some sandpaper to wipe away your tears? Perhaps a bouquet of ragweed?

After reading this, one of the very finest of responses to my posts ever

You mean your poasts (akin to toast), not posts. And yes, from me you can be assured of nothing less than the finest.

I decided to suspend, and remove this project from my client. My apologies to the good people waiting on the results from my WUs.

Brown nose as hard as you want but people here aren't the uptight dorks you find at SETI. If they wait another week for their credits it makes little difference to them.

TO THE ADMINS OF THIS PROJECT: If you are going to allow perfect angels as this 'Dagorath' person is to represent you to other users with a problem or questions about the project, then you should shut down. I am truly sorry, I really thought this would be a very worth while project to be a part of. But now...? I don't think so!

A project is worthwhile or not on its own merit. The fact that I wont listen to your SETI style BS doesn't make this project any less worthwhile. But since you're perfectly willing to throw away money on a project as abjectly hopeless as SETI we already knew your sense of worth is all screwed up so your stance here is not surprising.

TO DAGORATH: You, Sir would not last 5 seconds over at SETI. Not with the attitude and means of responding to people such as you have. You would be banned from SETI in a heartbeat. I am SOOOO glad that you have this attitude because I know I would not run into you there and have to deal with your slime ball attitude.

When people with brains call me a slimeball I usually pause and reflect on their words and see if maybe I haven't been a slimeball. However when someone with as little talent as you calls me a slimeball I just laugh, your opinion means nothing. And you will run into me at SETI now that I know how happy I make you :-)

Oh, by the way, SMARTASS, I have my client set to maintain a 5 day cache of WUs no matter what project I run.

Nope, you still don't get it. And I suspect you never will.

Goodbye Asteroids@home! It's been, well... Just goodbye... :(

If you hurry up and leave you can take your time coming back.

oh, hope that helps, oh, oh, oh, oh, sorry BilBg, oh, oh, oh.

oh, hi enric, oh good to hear from you again, oh, oh, oh

Thanks, but no thanks. Too late. I have already removed this project from my client. I will not work for a project that has creeps like Dagorath.

Hey!!!! Thought you said you were leaving. Whatsa matta you? Can't find the door?

As for SETI: I'm as loyal as they come. I will always and forever crunch for SETI. They were around longer than any other projects. I have been with them since damn near day one, way before BOINC came onto the scene.

Translation: I don't care how stupid it is I'm going to continue doing it anyway because I can be as dumb as anybody else maybe even dumber.

Thanks again Enric, but like I said, it's too late now.

Good bye...

Translation: Good bye cruel world. I'm going to jump off this tall building now. Errrrmmmm... didn't you people hear me? I said I'm going to leap off this tall building now!

How can you allow him/her to chase new users away as he/she has me?

I'm guessing he doesn't want you SETI screw ups here cuz you're more of a bother than a help. Maybe send you all for retraining and debunking and then let you in on a real and worthwhile project but as you are you're practically worthless.

How can you allow him/her to chase new users away as he/she has me?

I'm guessing he doesn't want you SETI screw ups here cuz you're more of a bother than a help. Maybe send you all for retraining and debunking and then let you in on a real and worthwhile project but as you are you're practically worthless.

Ya know what? If you had been somewhat humane and answered my question with 'Yeah, the admin messed up and we're all paying for it now.', instead of going into you inane diatribe about your hatred of SETI, this would not be happening. But, instead you show your lack of humility and brevity. Sorry you!

Hey, go ahead, come on over to SETI. Like I said, attitudes like yours and posting as you do will not be tolerated there. You'll be gone in less than a day.

Oh, by the way, as long as I have a RAC greater than 1.0, I can post where I want. You don't like it, tough. Get over it! :P

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CMDR Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187

Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]

How can you allow him/her to chase new users away as he/she has me?

I'm guessing he doesn't want you SETI screw ups here cuz you're more of a bother than a help. Maybe send you all for retraining and debunking and then let you in on a real and worthwhile project but as you are you're practically worthless.

Ya know what? If you had been somewhat humane and answered my question with 'Yeah, the admin messed up and we're all paying for it now.', instead of going into you inane diatribe

You started the inane diatribe in your very first poast.

about your hatred of SETI, this would not be happening. But, instead you show your lack of humility and brevity. Sorry you!

Right back at ya on the humility and brevity thing.

Hey, go ahead, come on over to SETI. Like I said, attitudes like yours and posting as you do will not be tolerated there. You'll be gone in less than a day.

No I won't.

Oh, by the way, as long as I have a RAC greater than 1.0, I can post where I want. You don't like it, tough. Get over it! :P

You can poast here here as often as you like. In fact I like rubbing your nose in the manure you leave laying around here. However, after your "Goodbye cruel world" poast it's rather odd that you're back here whining about nothing again. You say one thing then do the opposite. First you have 600 tasks you can't possibly crunch in time then all of a sudden you could have if you wanted to but you've decided not to. Next you say you're leaving then 10 minutes later you're back spewing ever more stupidity and venom.

Stay, leave, do whatever you want, I don't care. In fact the dark side of me finds your retardedness entertaining in a macabre sort of way. Also there is the educational angle, the "Hey! All you expectant mothers.... don't drink a lot and smoke crak while you're pregnant or your offspring will turn out like this Saran d'Wrap goof." angle.

It is always the same with the SETIs.
First the tell you, they are already gone,
next they moan about the error which motivated them to leave (uuhhh...wait?) and in the end, they brag always with their RAC.

I've notived that several times before ion the C@H message boards.

Erm...
Hope that helps!

I think they act crazy like that because they have crunched for so long and have found nothing. Total failure for that many years, the rest of the BOINC world laughing at you all the time... It's enough to drive anybody crazy. I feel sorry for them. I truly believe most of them want to quit SETI and lead useful lives for a change but they haven't figured out that the Detach button has been renamed to Remove. That must be frustrating too.

Hope that... no wait... I'm gonna be different, different might be better

Hope that doesn't help )>:

Why are people grabbing that many units anyway? Is it "OMG, units are online, cant have anyone steal them from me, have to get as many as possible"? or am I missing something?

Why are people grabbing that many units anyway? Is it "OMG, units are online, cant have anyone steal them from me, have to get as many as possible"? or am I missing something?

Yes and no. Yes for the SETI tasks, no for the Asteroids tasks. SETI has regular scheduled downtime once per week plus plenty of unscheduled crashes due to the fact the server is too small and cannot keep up with the demand. During the down time of course the volunteers cannot download any tasks so what many of the SETI zealots do is set a huge cache and grab as many tasks as they can when they are available in the mistaken belief that if their computer does not have a SETI task on it then the world is going to blow up or like you say someone is going to steal their tasks. I think they think others are watching how many tasks they crunch and if they don't crunch enough then someone is going to point the finger at them and say, "This one does not have the spirit, he is not one of us, he is an outcast, an untouchable, shun him." It sounds sick but I have no other explanation for their bizarre behaviour.

If they would just stay in their own little world of make believe with their huge caches then things would be OK but no they venture out into the rest of the BOINC world where their huge cache brings them trouble. Then they whine and complain and say all kinds of goofy crap like this Saran d'Wrap character and make it sound like it's everybody else's fault. True, he might have been OK had Asteroids's fpops estimate been correct but that is the way the real world is... good admins like we have here occasionally make mistakes and that's not going to change, they're only human, so the only smart thing to do is plan for it on our end and set a cache that

1) is small enough to avoid downloading a ton of tasks you cannot hope to finish on time and

2) gives your host enough buffer time to finish the extra tasks it will download

That's the smart way. The not so smart way is to be constantly on guard and just manually delete the tasks you cannot process. If that works for you then do it and don't whine. Like Enric... said he got too many tasks too but you don't hear him doing the kabuki dance like Saran d'Wrap, he just quietly deletes the extras.

The total idiot way is to do what Saran d'Wrap does and go the project and piss and moan and tell the admin he's going to quit (as if the admin is too stupid to realize his mistake is not good) and tell us all how the rest of the world has to cater to his SETI zealotry and the insane things it drives him to do. My response to that is to rattle their cage a little then stand back and watch their goofiness escalate into brown nosing, outright lies and contradictions, etc.. It's always the same with them (the zealots). If you slap 'em hard enough some of them seem to get the message and pull out of it, some never. I mean this is not the first time Saran d'Wrap has pulled this crap off. He's done it frequently and so far politeness hasn't worked, he just doesn't get it. Whatever they catch over there is like alcoholism... the disease itself prevents you from seeing that you have the disease and blinds you to any sensible course of action. Other SETI crunchers are not so nuts and seem to be immune to the disease. It's interesting and worthy of a Ph.D. thesis I'm sure.

SETI has regular scheduled downtime once per week plus plenty of unscheduled crashes due to the fact the server is too small and cannot keep up with the demand.

What is Bigger: small little tiny elephant or an very BIG cat? ;)

The 5 new servers (since 1-2 years) are not at all 'small':
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

Look at the bottom of page and see the ones with big RAM, e.g.:
paddym: Intel Server (2 x hexa-core 3.07GHz Xeon, 132 GB RAM)

The problem is: there are > 200 000 computers that try to connect with the SETI servers (so the servers are maybe small in that sense - compared to the number of users, not compared to other projects (like this)).

And the Internet pipe is 100 Mbits/sec (usually maxed):
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;view=Octets

The size of the "science database" (AFAIK > 2 TB, billions of records) can be estimated by the number of 'signals' recorded (returned as results) shown on this page:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sci_status.html

And there is JBOD with 20-40 HDDs connected:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66635


So the SETI servers are not small per se, just they have to 'serve' too many user hosts.

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- ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)

You're right. The SETI servers are not small and that is not what I wanted to say. Probably I should have said something like "the SETI servers aren't big enough for the job".

Dagorath: RAWR!!!

Wow, so that's what a chainsaw in verbal form looks like.